DTQWT mkII
2010 Copyright © Troels Gravesen

JA8008 + TW034 + Eminence DeltaLite II 2510, 95 dB high-efficiency 3-way speaker system

The DTQWT mkII is a revised version of the DTQWT construction having a new 2nd order high-pass filter to the tweeter, where DTQWT uses 3rd order.
For those having built the DTQWT you may leave things as they are, or order three new components to the tweeter section to fully upgrade. Read about the changes
here.


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LINKS

Cabinet construction page.
10" bass driver page
Front drivers going into this project.
Response to TQWT and DTQWT.
Amps for the DTQWT (and TQWT)


HOW, WHERE AND HOW MUCH?

Download kit sale presentations:
DTQWT mkII wax-coils/Superior Z-Cap/Silver-Z-Cap
DTQWT mkII, wire coils//Standard-Z-Cap (I suggest adding a 5.6 uF Superior-Z-Cap for the tweeter here)

Mail your address and ask for shipping cost at: contact@jantzen-audio.com

Kit contains all drivers (excl. bass drivers), waveguides, crossover components incl. comp. for bass drivers.
More options available with regard to choice of coils and caps. Please specify.

All technical questions at: troels.gravesen@stofanet.dk


INTRO

To my ears, this is the best speaker I've ever made - and the biggest! 150 liter brutto volume is what you have to be prepared for should you decide to follow. From the front it seems fairly modest, 28 cm wide and 105 cm high, but depth is 50 cm and it will require some 20-25 cm minimum to the rear wall to breathe. Overall sensitivity is 95 dB/2.8 volts and having a minimum impedance of 6 ohms, it can be driven by low-wattage SET amps. I do not recommend 2-4 watts SET amps; these amps need 98-100 dB speakers, no matter what manufacturers may claim. I have no trouble driving the DTQWTs from my 8 wpc 300B SET amp. Deep bass - and that very special 300B midrange. With a proper 300B SET amp you can play these speakers for hours and hours without listening fatigue, a sign of low distortion and proper balancing of drivers. 20 watts do even better in terms of bass slam and punch. For a DTQWT amp review, please read here.

In many ways life gets easier when we make big speakers. We have more drivers, bigger drivers and distortion may all of a sudden be reduced significantly as none of the drivers have to move much to produce high sound levels, and we don't have to rely on drivers being capable of large cone excursions either.
We may all have experienced a 6" driver being driven to high SPLs and doing its best to pump air in order to produce deep bass notes - and at the same time trying to produce a smooth upper midrange/lower treble, the 640-2560 Hz range. It's not an ideal situation but a compromise most of us have experienced and as long as we don't push a "six + one" too hard, things go well.

The DTQWT construction is based on the TQWT construction supplemented by two 10" Eminence Deltalite II 2510 bass drivers added, providing a total membrane area exceeding a 15" driver. The front drivers and crossovers are the same as for TQWT. The rear bass drivers are fed from a simple 1st order crossover. It is thus possible to up-grade an existing JA8008/TQWT design by building new cabs and buying four bass drivers, 2 coils, 2 caps and 2 resistors, that's all.

So, what's a double tapered quarter wave tube (DTQWT)? Well, nothing new under sun. The quarter wave tube, transmission line - or Voigt pipe - came up around 1930 thanks to Paul Voigt. A tube having a length of 25% of the driver's resonance frequency, i.e. if we have a driver with Fs = 40, we would need a pipe of 34400/40/4 = 215 cm length (34400 = velocity of sound in air in centimeters/second).
To learn more about transmission line speakers I suggest reading here at Martin J. King's website:
http://www.quarter-wave.com/. If the tube is tapered it's a horn, in this case a conical horn. Horns come in all shapes and sizes depending on actual application, from the deepest bass to the highest treble.

Loading a tapered tube or transmission line can be done in numerous ways and nothing prevents us from using multiple drivers loading the horn - even from drivers having different size. Same thing can be seen in some bass reflex designs where we find e.g. 10" and 12" in same cabinet, sharing the same port.


Classic Lowther examples of two drivers loading the same horn.

The DTQWT construction has an 8" front driver and two 10" rear mounted drivers, all connected with positive polarity. They're placed opposite to one another and the rear drivers are fed through a huge coil, thus only adding weight to the lower octaves. All drivers load a center horn and you may ask whether the large bass drivers won't have an impact on the front driver from sharing the same open space and the answer is yes - and this is intentional. Air goes where pressure is low, thus when the rear bass drivers move inwards, they will push air into the large center horn and by doing so they will suck air from the front horn and pull the membrane of the front driver. Obviously the front driver will do the same thing for the bass drivers. We have a situation similar to a push-push configuration of two opposite placed bass drivers in a vented cabinet.
The subjective experience from this is a cleaner midrange, distortion has been lowered at high SPLs and yes - we have more bass. In fact a lot more bass. The typical quality of the bass from a horn is quite different from conventional high mass/low efficiency bass drivers in small vented enclosures. The DTQWT delivers deep, dynamic and dry bass - anything but boomy.

Initially the DTQWT was added only a single bass driver, providing a system impedance of ~4 ohms minimum, not something that should make most decent low-wattage amps uncomfortable considering the overall system sensitivity. My 20 wpc PSE mono-blocks (6AS7 triodes) did well, but adding a second unit in series with the first driver left no doubt that the amps felt better about ~6 ohms minimum. Actually they felt much better and I admit I was surprised by the difference. Distortion was significantly reduced at (very) high levels and the grip on the bass drivers significantly improved. Possibly the reduced cone motion from having two bass drivers also reduces back-EMF (back-electro-motive-force) and SET amps have low damping factor with poor grip on bass drivers compared to push-pull valve amps or solid state amps.


Some of the components used for the DTQWT


DTQWT mkII crossover


As can be seen, the mid and tweeter section are the same as for the TQWT construction.
My default tweeter series resistor is 2.2 ohm.
Having two 8 ohms drivers in series calls for a large coil and the Jantzen Audio C-Coils are perfect for this:
18 mH, DCR = 0.17 ohm. To keep impedance flat an RC circuit is added, 15 ohms + 10 uF across bass drivers' input.

DTQWT drivers and crossover Parts


All kit parts except 10" bass drivers supplied by
Jantzen Audio.
Mail at:
contact@jantzen-audio.com
If STANDARD Z-CAP, wire coils or Cross Coils are preferred, please ask for price. Numerous options available.

FAQ: If you also want to bi-wire your speakers, you have to order 4 pairs of terminals.


Board for front drivers = 200 x 160 mm; board for bass section = 200 x 160 mm.

Crossover pics

Crossover for the JA8008/TW034 front drivers is the same as the for TQWT construction.


Right: Three resistors here for tweeter attenuation, 1R8, 2R2 and 2R7. My default is 2R2. Adjust to personal taste.

Crossover for bass drivers


Crossover for the two bass drivers is simplicity itself: An 18 mH coil in series with the drivers and 10 uF + 15 ohms across
output and ground provides flat impedance for the 1st order network. Good thing about these large cabs: Lots of space for crossovers.


10" bass drivers suitable for DTQWT


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- or use your vintage 12"/16 ohms drivers for the DTQWT

Two 16 ohms 12" vintage bass drivers have been found suitable for the DTQWT construction: ALTEC 414Z (16 ohms) and Goodmans Axiom 150 mkII (16 ohms). One driver/cabinet will do and 6 ohms minimum impedance is maintained. Click image to go to page:


Cabinet Construction


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Initially only one bass driver was used, but there is only one thing better than a 10" bass driver: Two! Total membrane area = ~988 cm^2 from 2 x Beyma @ 768 cm^2 plus 1 x JA8008 @ 220 cm^2. A typical 15" driver is around 830 cm^2.

Download additional cabinet drawings here.
Generously provided by Kim Bay, Denmark


Measurements

Presenting proper images of bass capability from this construction is difficult due to front and rear mounted drivers. Normally we would take nearfield readings of both drivers and "port" (horn mouth) and splice the readings at e.g. 100 Hz and at 350 Hz (JA8008). The port output is usually presented separately. This approach doesn't work because a significant part of the lower bass comes from the horn and in order to measure lower bass we need a measuring window so wide ( > 100 milli-seconds) that we measure everything; that is 1) what comes from the drivers and port - and 2) what is reflected from room boundaries.
Feeding the speaker 31 Hz warble tones leaves no doubt this speaker has potentials in lower octaves, thus I placed the speaker in 6 different locations in my workshop (12 m^2) and used a 320 millisecond window in the CLIO MLS mode, allowing a lower frequency reading of 3 Hz. My workshop is anything but ideal for this kind of measurements, but I think the graph provides a useful sense of bass extension down to around 35 Hz.

Left: 320 ms reading of speaker in six different locations. ½ octave smoothing. Right: SPL @ 1 meter, 2.8 volts, left and right speaker. The left graph also tells how enormously important room placement is for the response coming from a loudspeaker, and this goes for any speaker, not only the DTQWT seen here.
Basically the speaker display the exact same performance as the JA8008/TW034/TQWT construction because the front drivers and the crossover are exactly the same. View
here. What's more interesting is the impedance plot seen here:

As can been seen from the graph above, we have a minimum 6 ohms impedance (red line inserted) and as stated in the beginning of this article, 8 watts from a SET amp can drive this speaker to significant levels before running into trouble. In fact much louder compared to average home-audio listening level, which is around 85 dB. This does not mean 20 wpc won't do better if you want to play even louder. The DTQWT can play enormously loud before significant distortion occurs. Remember, with 1-2 watt input we may have ~95 dB at 1 metre distance - and this is loud, really loud, but it doesn't mean I recommend 2-4 watts being sufficient. It isn't. Small amps may soon get into clipping no matter what manufacturers may claim.


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