Above
a crossover simulation for a 3-way crossover.
During optimisation minor changes were made to
the bas-mid section, but this had little impact
on overall sound. Overlaying the plots makes a
messy picture, but I think it's useful to
illustrate the experiment. To the right I have
added thick lines to enhance the basic crossover
topology for the mid-tweeter section:
# 1 is a 3rd order filter, # 2 is a 2nd order
filter and # 3 is - an almost - 1st order filter.
Polarity
of drivers:
# 1: With reference to bass driver (positive
polarity) M and T have negative polarity.
# 2: With reference to bass driver (positive
polarity) M connected with negative polarity and
T connected with positive polarity.
# 3: With reference to bass driver (positive
polarity) M and T connected with negative
polarity.
To cut a long story short:
3rd
and 2nd order filters can't cope with Siri's
"D" although 2nd order is better than
3rd order.
The 1st order crossover does it significantly
better than 3rd and 2nd order. Going through all
my reference CDs, the 1st order crossover did all
difficult tracks better than I've heard before.
1st order filters here turns out to be
close-to-1st-order on the electrical side and
close to 2nd LR on the acoustic side. True 1st
order filters are indeed very difficult to
achieve for almost any driver as they need to be
fairly linear well beyond point of crossover.
More experiments:
a. An LCR circuit was applied to smooth tweeter
impedance and this has no impact on performance,
i.e. distortion measurements and sonically even
when driven at excessively high levels (tweeter
with magnetic oil used in experiment).
b. Adding an all-pass filter to # 3 to have mid
and tweeter connected with same polarity, did not
enhance sonic performance either. It did sound a
little different maybe due to the signal having
to pass two 47 uF standard polyprop caps. I was
surprised not hearing any subjectively sonic
degradation of treble performance from this - -
but had to revise this impression later in final
set-up (proper room and amplification).
Updates:
14-01-2010:
Moving some 130 kgs (!) speakers and JungSon amp
into our living room quickly required an update.
The all-pass filter just didn't perform once the
XX2 cartridge was in front. My first impression
of the all-pass filter just didn't hold. Guess
the standard polyprops after all can't deliver
the level of transparency needed and at high
levels treble got rough. Hmm... So, back to
previous crossover version with inverted tweeter
polarity and I added the impedance flattening
circuit to the tweeter - and a little further
attenuation (1 dB). Better. Much better! Which
points to the fact that speakers should always be
tested in different rooms, with different
equipment, etc., before the final crossover is
put on paper.
What are we going to make of
all this?
Are we going
to ditch all speakers not using 1st order
filters? I mean, these pages - and most of what
is found on the web - are full of speakers with
higher-order filters. I don't think so. No
speaker is perfect anyway and even the best are
full of compromises.
There is an abundant amount of literature
available on 1st order filters and for some
people it has taken almost religious proportions.
I find this website useful to get a clearer view
of the pros and cons of filter topology: http://sound.westhost.com/ptd.htm#intro.Not easy bedtime reading,
but filter theory will never be easy to
understand.
Most drivers can't cope with 1st order
filters due to the huge overlap between drivers
and in many cases we risk frying over tweeters
when cranking up the volume. I have tried many
times during crossovers modelling to see if 1st
order filters are possible, and in most cases it
can't be done due to phase and frequency response
in combination with inadequate placement of
drivers, i.e. the front panel would have to be
stepped to acoustically align drivers (aligning
assumed position of voice coils doesn't work),
something that is not always needed, but often is
when dealing with first order filters.
Some people think that a first order filter is a
coil and a cap and that's all. It isn't, unless
we settle for serious compromises. Good 1st order
filters are often a serious amount of crossover
components to liniarise impedance, to smooth
roll-off characteristics and to equalise the
usual anything but linear frequency response.
Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
Vandersteen is guy who for decades has
worked on 1st order filters and unfortunately his
speakers are not common on these shores - because
I'd like to hear his constructions. What it has
taken for Vandersteen to get this far is stepped
cabinets, specially designed drivers, complex
crossovers and not least below average speaker
efficiency of 85 dB (3a), something that doesn't
make more than average dynamic speakers. There's
a good interview here, and the
"problem" is that the guy is right, but
it comes at a price. And let's make one thing
clear: The use of complex crossover to realise
e.g. 1st order filters does not count for low
efficiency. Many people think that complex
crossovers suck up energy and reduce efficiency.
Not true. The reason for low efficiency is only
when we require deep bass from small speakers.
View a 1st order filter for a 3-way speaker from
Thiel.
The reason for low efficiency of Vandersteen
speakers is due to targeting good low-end
extension from a fairly small footprint and to
some extent the use minimum baffle.
Dynaudio has always made a
trademark of 1st order filters although they
don't talk too much about it any more, maybe
because some of their speakers really are not
true 1st order constructions - or maybe because
the discussion on 1st order filters really
doesn't hold commercial value due to the complex
issue, leaving most customers bewildered and
confused.
Thiel is the last I want to
mention of the manufacturers that are true
believers in 1st order filters and - as
Vandersteen - has done at lot of research in
developing drivers that can cope with this.
Unfortunately
Dunlavy's speakers are no longer around, another
true believer in 1st order filters.
Siri's "D" is not
a typical problem. Fortunately most music does not to
such extent expose the inability of our speakers
to perform this kind of reproduction. But it does
tell that the majority of our speakers really do
not sound right and that time and phase
distortion are issues that should be addressed
whenever possible. Based on modelling, a large
number of drivers will require stepped front
baffles to achieve 1st order roll-off, even
sometimes for perfect 2nd LR roll-off.
We have learned to live with speakers where few
of these problems have been addressed, and should
someone tell you he has made a speaker that does
it all right, take great care. This speaker
doesn't exist.
This page
- may be revised from time to time when more
experiments and observations may require changes
to statements and conclusions. Don't think I
think I've got it right and feel free to mail
your comments.
Response from Peter Wojcik
First
of all let me thank you for the advice on the CSM
construction, I knew tweeters were very similiar
but i didn't realize they were so identical.
Thanx again.
Your article on Siri's killers note, I found it
very interesting and intreaging. For some reason
I always was a fan of low order x-overs not
knowing about the problems higher orders would
create.
Once you mentioned Vandersteen, red light in
my head went off, because a few months ago I
was doing a job out of town about 300 km away and
as usual after work I would go and check out all
of the local electronics stores.. One of the
stores I visited had a pair of Vandersteens Model 1C, so the plan became
crystal clear that was gonna be my starting point
of 1st order research.
Investigation: Armed with my copy of a cd I
went off, and just as I suspected and you
predicted the Vandesteen played the track
perfectly with out even a hint of trouble. Lucky
for me the same store also caarried my favourite
speakers: SonusFaber, Auditor M performed
flawlessly, same as Guarneri Memento.
Next went Minina Vintage it played well but not as
good as the other two. And by the way Auditor
M & Guarneri are my all time favourite
speakers. And they are based on two drivers that
you know so well .S.S 15W and Audio Technology.
Next day i visited another dealer and I
listened to Totems -Hawk, it performed great but Dynaudro X12 Excite didn't, which makes me
wonder if it really is 1st order filter. Since
then I have auditioned BW XT2, Gershman X-1R, Thiel CS1.6 and Vienna Acoustics Haydn
Grand.
They all performed flawlessly, which confirms
your suspicion about 1st order filters. I have
listened to other speakers from same brand with
2nd or 3rd order filters and they all had same
problem in the same spot as you wrote in yout
article.
The original Auditor from Sonus faber used
unmodified version of 15W a Vifa XT and was
1st order filter as well, so i hope you don't get
offended by my humble suggestion to try modelind
1st order cross over for your Ellam XT, which by
the way I'm enjoying immensly - thank you.
If you come up with some new x-over for that
project and are not 100% to your satisfaction I
would love to see it even if you decide not
to post it on your website. I never realized that
all the speakers I've enjoyed through the years
and somehow made an impact on me, had one thing
in common --- they were mostly 1st oder filtered.
I hope you come up with some new 1st filters for
existing or new constructions. Great work on your
part which I have enjoyed so much. Thank you. I
am almost finished with the CSM project and as
soon as can I will send you some pics of what I
have done.
Response from Joe Rasmussen
It's
interesting that at least one designer, Troels
Gravesen, has heard audible effects from the type
of former that the VC is wound on, preferring
Aluminium over Kapton. Could it be that the
former has a significant effect over the VC's
heat distribution? He also notices the same
effects on drivers he considers having an
inadequate Sd, the cone area. If the conceptual
theory is correct, then larger Sd will lessen the
audible effects of non-linear VC heat
distribution.
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